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Wisdom from the Other Side

Wisdom from the Other Side with Susan Christensen

On December 18, 2017, I interviewed medium and energy healer, Susan Christiansen of www.energycandothat.com on The Janis Underwood Show. During the show, her mother’s “voice” and love energy came through to share wisdom from the other side.

As many of you know, Barbara shared her wisdom and testimony with many people during the last years of her bed ministry. Unable to walk, Barbara was bedridden during the time I sat with her. Always welcoming to visitors, she shared her experiences during her death transition. Most people don’t know that death isn’t always a swift activity. For some, death is a process and can take years, yep years, to complete.

Below is a portion of the December show’s transcript, during this part of the show, Barbara wanted to share what it is like to arrive in another “dimension” and why it is important for us to do the work prior to our transition.

Take it away, Barbara!

Barbara:  Oh, good to be with you and with all of those that are here. We welcome you and I am so thrilled to be talking on this show not that it’s about me, but about the fact that I was able to share enough about who I was and what I learned that it still matters to other people. So if it’s alright with you what I’d like to do is spend a few minutes talking about the journey, that I have it with this place of great peace before I crossed over. So is that all right Janis?

Janis:  Yes. Thank you.

Barbara: Thank you, Honey. It’s so good to be with you. Yeah, let me just tell you that there came a very dark time in my life, my mother and father had passed away and my husband had passed away and I was all by myself. And I realized I had a problem. And it wasn’t a happy time for me because I realized I was angry. Oh my Goodness, I was so angry.

Being Angry

Barbara: And there were lots of reasons for my being angry and having the emotional issues that I had, but it was something that I had to face because I didn’t want to be that angry person. I’ve been able to cover it up for so many years by serving other people and going to church. And for trying to pretend that I was okay, but it there came a day sweetheart when I knew I wasn’t okay. And I spent a year in intense help with myself and then I would say my journey lasted 10 years overall. And there would be days when I wouldn’t get out of bed until late afternoon. And I would just write and write and pray and sing and read and then I’d do some more writing and then I had this wonderful friend, who would listen to me for hours on end as I processed. And I know that not everybody can do this by themselves, but I was given this gift from my loving father in heaven that it took me a long time, but I was able to forgive all those people that have left so much pain in the wake of living.

Barbara: And so what I really wanted to tell those of you who were listening and I hope some of you out there listening. What I want to share with you is this. It matters. Oh, my dear friends, you are my friends, even though we may not know each other personally, you are my friends.

The Journey of Life Matters

Barbara: Let me tell you, this journey in life matters all that work in letting go of the past the work of forgiving those who have hurt you. And can I tell you something my friends – it is not important whether they deserve forgiveness or not. And Susan will tell this to her clients as well. It’s not about the person you’re forgiving it’s about you, it’s about your becoming whole.

Becoming Whole

Barbara: Now in my life, I talked a lot about becoming whole, that was my goal and I would read about it and study it and pray about it and say, “Oh, dear Father, please make me whole”.  And that was my goal and I understood at the end that it wasn’t about becoming whole. It was about becoming and becoming who I was supposed to be. So for all of those of you who are on a journey, please let me reassure you with all the love and compassion in my heart, for there is so much compassion because I know what pain is.

Let me tell you that it matters, it matters to you, it matters to those people in your life who care about you and each one of you has them and it matters to our Father in Heaven and you know there’s lots of names for him. And he doesn’t really care whether you what you call him the Universe or God or your father or Allah. He’s just up there and he cares and it matters so that when you get to the other side which I have done, you’re not carrying things with you that you then have to deal with because I’m going to tell you something.

Who we Are on the Other Side

Barbara: So let’s just talk for a little minute about moving to the other side because when you move to the other side, you take who you are with you. Oh, my goodness isn’t that a powerful thought? You take who you are with you. So for those of us who had a lot of work to do, it’s time to get started. And if you’re feeling some emotions that you don’t want to carry with you into the next journey, then it’s time to deal with them and however, you choose to deal with them however way that presents itself I ask you for yourself to take advantage of the opportunity of getting healed emotionally and spiritually.

Barbara: So that when you too move over into the next life the transition becomes a seamless and beautiful thing and it’s nothing to be afraid of. So the energy of forgiveness and the energy, the vibration, the frequency and the power of love are not to be minimalized or thoughtless, it’s so important. So let’s talk about love for a little minute, shall we?

Soul Contracts

Barbara: Now my friend and your friend Janis asked me to talk a little bit about the Covenant that Susan and I made before we came on this Earth. Now if we’re going to make this important to all of you then let’s just tell the story from our perspective and I will let you think about it as it applies to you. So Susan, before she was born, said she would come down as my daughter. But really who she came down was the one who is going to save me and not save my soul because that is a spiritual thing, but save me in a way that I was unable to make the last parts of healing in my life possible without what she brought into it. And you know what? She made this covenant with me knowing full well, that it was going to take her into the dark night of the soul that oh, it wasn’t that night my friends, it was years and it tore her world apart. And in the depths of this despair that she was living through, she became an energy healer and brought into my world because the night that her world fell apart, it was only 12 hours later that she found out I was going to come and live with her.

Working the Divine Plan

Barbara: So there was a divine plan and it was so important that I have these other pieces of the spiritual religion that I had and I needed to understand these things. So Susan with full knowledge of the pain that it would cost her promised that she would do this for me. And I will be eternally grateful that she was willing to do that for me. Now let’s talk about soul covenants for just a minute, have you ever met somebody or have somebody in your life where you just know that if there’s a connection that goes beyond what you can rationally understand.

Janis:   Yes.

Barbara:   You have, haven’t you?

Janis:   Yes.

Barbara:    And you know what interesting Janis and you already know this from your own life. It doesn’t always end up on a happy note.

Janis:    No, it does not, no!

Barbara:  And you think to yourself, well if I made a promise to you, shouldn’t we both end up happy? And that’s not always a yes answer. Sometimes this person comes in to be an agitator or to take you into a direction that without that prod you wouldn’t go.

Janis:   Right. thank you, Barbara, for the wisdom from the other side.


DG17: End of Life Expert Deanna Cochran

This is a must listen to! If you’ve ever wondered what and who to ask with regards to end of life care, you’ve come to the right place.

Deanna Cochran, RN of Quality of Life Care, LLC is one of the most well known experts in end of life guidance and palliative care advocacy and education. She founded Quality of Life Care, LLC (QLC), in 2006.

QLC was created to bring awareness, information, resources and support to people and their families living with life-limiting illness, including their circle of family, friends, and trusted advisers. Deanna trains and mentors end of life guides, including (but not limited to) those who go by the title of Death Doula, Death Coach, and End of Life Caregiver.

For more information, visit the Quality of Life website.



DG14: Sparkles in the Heart

Be a part of the glitter of life. Joanna lost her father, her rock, to a heart attack in 2004.  As she and her family sat in the hospital waiting room hoping for good news, Joanna’s sister thought about her young children. How would they comprehend the loss of their grandfather? Would they know and remember him?

August 2016 HeadshotA conversation between Joanna and her sister led to an idea and Sparkles in the Heart was born. The Sparkles in the Heart project is designed to help children share memories of their loved ones and let them go in an active way.

In this podcast Joanna shares the experiences she’s had with both children and adults as they participate in the Sparkles in the Heart process.  She finds that sharing memories of loved ones with this process helps fill one’s heart space, helping them heal.

The project is still in the works and Joanna hopes to have materials created within the next year. Joanna’s contact info is featured in the podcast recording. She’d love to hear your thoughts about the project as well as your personal stories.


DG 8: Signposts of Dying with Martha Jo Atkins

12421278_10153702557194130_207274133_nDying with Grandpa is proud to feature Martha Jo Atkins, professional counselor and death educator. Martha Jo has been teaching about death and dying for 25 years and has recently published a book called Signposts of Dying: What You Need to Know.

In our time together Martha Jo shares her insights about the transition process and explains how her personal experiences with death ignited her desire to learn more, creating PhD level research on death and dying. Her work has impacted the lives of many people, from the old to the young.

The Kindle Edition of Martha Jo’s book is available now with a paper copy scheduled to come out this month. It is a must have for families and professional caretakers. For more inSignpostsformation about the book, click here.

If you’d like more information about Martha Jo or her services, visit her death and dying institute at www.marthajoatkins.com 

Watch Martha Jo’s  TEDx talk

DG 7: Grief Recovery with Laura Jack


Welcome to another episode of Dying with Grandpa. I apologize for the short hiatus, but we are back with new interviews from some of the most heart based professionals I know. Laura starts us off with the story of her mom’s sudden death and how it nudged her into grief recovery and transformational coaching.

Laura is a Grief Recovery Specialist who specializes in helping people find their light through loss. In this episode, Laura candidly shares her personal journey that demonstrates how one’s life can be transformed through death. She was only 25 when she found herself navigating through her mom’s tragic and sudden death. Eight years later we find her guiding others out of darkness and into their inner light. When asked how Laura came upon a career in grief recovery, she stated, “You don’t choose grief, grief chooses you.” For anyone who has lost a loved one, this is a sweet story of transformation, healing and hope.

If you or someone you know has suffered a loss, Laura has built “her home” on the internet with plenty of resources to help people navigate through the stages of grief and beyond. Her work is not just about recovery, though, it’s about transformation.

For more information about Laura, or to participate in her 7 Days to Thriving program, click here or go to www.laurajack.comLaura Head Shot

To read the article about grief recovery mentioned in this podcast, go to: https://www.griefrecoverymethod.com/comment/14613

To learn more about the Griefwalker movie: http://orphanwisdom.com/griefwalker/

Be well, be love and know you are supported.

DG6: Living Fearlessly with Nancy Shobe

My Mom, Barbara Shobe, and me in a Michigan hospice: April, 2014

My Mom, Barbara Shobe, and me in a Michigan hospice: April, 2014

This episode of Dying with Grandpa features a heartfelt interview with writer and intuitive Nancy Shobe who lost her mother in 2014. Nancy’s beautiful stories about her mother’s death have been well received and published nationally. During our time together, Nancy recounts her experiences at her mother’s side in a Michigan Hospice after her mother was diagnosed with a rare intestinal cancer. Only given 6 weeks to live, Nancy’s mother, Barbara, found peace at the end of her life by letting go of all items she no longer needed, including her residence. Impacted by her mom’s graceful transition, Nancy now lives her life boldly and fearlessly; inspiring others to do the same.

For more information about Nancy, www.shobebiz.com

To learn more about Hospice, click here

To explore more topics around death and dying, letting go, and the Tibetan Book of the Dead, click here

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